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Samus ideas
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07/17/2010, 12:11 AM
(This post was last modified: 07/17/2010 12:13 AM by Shade_.)
Post: #21
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Likewise I'm not too big on the 64. So I wont argue there. Melee was fun, but it required monstrous amounts of practice. Obviously you know what your talking about. Her close range is decent. Quite decent, but pails horribly in comparison to top teirs which is why I am against nerfing the one thing that gives her the edge on them. You could buff her close range after nerfing missiles, but the point of Samus is to be a projectile character. Also I doubt that any of her close range buffs would still match up to say Luigi's, Marths, or Falcon's close range. I mean, it seems like we are arguing for completely different reasons. You say she is a boring character, both to use and to fight against. However, I'll tell you right now that all Samus mains have fun using her. Even more so when you fight against people that know how to get around your projectiles. It's very difficult to win against characters with huge arial speed and great close range. MK, Jiggs, and Luigi all destroy Samus at close range, and can keep her in the air forever. I honestly have more fun shooting missiles and winning than, playing close range, getting awesome combos, and loosing. But that's just me. |
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07/17/2010, 01:20 PM
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Brawl- has all this nice hitstun, why have it if you're just going to shoot missiles?
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07/17/2010, 06:44 PM
(This post was last modified: 07/17/2010 06:48 PM by Shade_.)
Post: #23
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Cus if my opponent is Luigi or MK, up close, the only one that will be getting comboed is Samus.
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07/20/2010, 12:58 AM
Post: #24
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Can we have down b interrupt of her roll
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07/20/2010, 01:15 AM
(This post was last modified: 07/20/2010 01:29 AM by Isaac.)
Post: #25
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If your opponent is mk or luigi, you shouldn't even be trying to win. They need nerfs. Bad. Samus needs a less camp-productive playstyle. |
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07/20/2010, 11:19 AM
Post: #26
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Just watched that Japanese combo video. They know how to play Samus.
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07/20/2010, 02:06 PM
(This post was last modified: 07/20/2010 02:07 PM by Veril.)
Post: #27
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Samus can combo from her projectiles. Luigi and MK rape everyone. Samus gets raped by Ness as well, and probably Pikachu/Rob. I like Samus a lot right now and would like to see her down-b messed with in some way. Almost all of Samus's changes have been simple damage buffs because of her file size limit, and I'm taking a look at her since initially (before I realized she could never win certain MUs) I wanted to main her. |
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07/21/2010, 12:28 AM
Post: #28
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In my opinion I admit Samus is broken, more so than quite a bit of the cast. However I'm against making any nerfs to her until they nerf the higher teirs significantly. She's fun for me right now, I don't think I would make any changes to her besides making her upsmash cancelable. However I'm pretty sure that wont happen. Her campy playstyle is what makes her fun in my opinion. It feels very natural when you know what you are doing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j43hkmv_gaA |
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07/21/2010, 10:20 AM
Post: #29
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I don't want to be mean, but that Mario wan't very good. Mario should be able to avoid those better. Also, in the beginning, all those projectiles you fired until he got to 35%... you doubled how much damage he had with dair -> Side Smash.
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07/21/2010, 03:23 PM
Post: #30
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Fair enough. The point though wasn't how good the Mario or I am. I like the way she handles in this game as of now. You could say she does too much damage with her projectiles, but when you think about how badly high tiers destroy her at close range, I think it's pretty fair. |
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07/21/2010, 03:52 PM
Post: #31
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(07/20/2010 02:06 PM)Veril Wrote: down-b messed with in some way. Well, we could fix the bomb IASA, finally? It works, unless you hit someone else with the bomb as well. |
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07/21/2010, 05:53 PM
Post: #32
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The high tiers in general are not fair, though.
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07/21/2010, 08:05 PM
Post: #33
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(07/21/2010 03:23 PM)Shade_ Wrote: Fair enough. The point though wasn't how good the Mario or I am. I like the way she handles in this game as of now. Thats the point. You don't fair enough. Or Uair -> bair. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPNCLK71SFk Rkey knows. |
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07/21/2010, 08:39 PM
Post: #34
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Lol that combo X) weak bair is great for combo's though.
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07/22/2010, 04:04 PM
(This post was last modified: 07/22/2010 04:04 PM by Shade_.)
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(07/21/2010 08:05 PM)filbert Wrote: [quote='Shade_' pid='15686' dateline='1279736588'] Lol, that's one way you could interpret my grammar. Though I don't think I need to explain how u-air and f-air aren't reliable due to DI. B-air is reliable however. Rkey's just too good, lol. Though we have completely different styles of fighting. His is built around combos, while mine is based on ranged combat. |
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07/22/2010, 04:09 PM
(This post was last modified: 07/22/2010 04:28 PM by Rkey.)
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(07/22/2010 04:04 PM)Shade_ Wrote: Rkey's just too good, lol. Though we have completely different styles of fighting. His is built around combos, while mine is based on ranged combat. Lol, that was no DI and training mode, after many failures X) I'm campy as hell too, it's how you're supposed to play Spamus. I just wanted to show that she CAN combo, back when I made the video everyone was saying she had like no combos. EDIT: THE LAST THREE POSTS STARTED WITH THE WORD LOL! THIS CALLS FOR: DANCEY TIME!! ![[Image: hatsunemikuanimated01co2.gif]](http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/8184/hatsunemikuanimated01co2.gif) ![[Image: pea0321peanuts-celebrate-the-little-thin...904913.jpg]](http://mumsigapojkar.blogg.se/images/2009/pea0321peanuts-celebrate-the-little-things-posters_28904913.jpg)
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07/22/2010, 06:11 PM
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Shade: I thought it was pretty clever.  Back almost on subject, I realise that Samus inherently has a campy playstyle. I think that right now, she gets completely shut down by a run down (Luigi, MK, Squirtle, Ness, etc.) making her one of the more dumb characters. Being a chubbo like DK or DDD and getting shot down by Samus is no fun for me, so I switch to Luigi or MK. Mostly Luigi because I texture hacked it so he wears a suit. Then I shut down Samus. She is stupidly polarizing, so I thought that buffing her close range and nerfing her not as straight side would make her a more fun character. My friends and I (completely recreational, not competative at all) have stopped using her completely because she's normally not a fun character. Rkey: that combo might be without DI or anything, but it's still hardcore. |
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07/22/2010, 06:41 PM
Post: #38
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BUT, if she would be given two things, that have been discussed here, she would have no problem with a rushdown. Those are: Cancel roll with a bomb Being able to JC bomb-laying  Also, for epic, she can stay in morphball form for mindgames. Off topic: I hope this avatar is ok? |
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07/22/2010, 06:57 PM
Post: #39
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She's a polarizer. She just needs to be brought to booser's level imo. In the instance she doesn't get instantly screwed by bad MUs. They should only be 60:40 or so, on both sides. But that'll be difficult to control, so even 65:35 would be acceptable. Right now, her and bowser are the most "counter pick or gtfo" based Mastering these two, and possibly a third polarizer will allow people to be gods of the minus scene in the forseeable future if we work on them. They should each be around high b tier level. And them game should be more CP friendly, i honestly hated bowser at first, mainly because i thought he would be the only one like that. But after seeing samus, and the ideas for lucario, i really love all three so much. |
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07/22/2010, 09:08 PM
Post: #40
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That Miku dance made my day lol. Anyway, Yeah I agree with you Filbert in that she's not the character to pick if you want to have a good time playing with friends. No one enjoys a match against Samus, so I don't use her at all in friendlies. People just complain at how much "not fun" they are having, so I only use her to win. I think bomb cancel roll, and JC cancel bomb might make her a bit too good, but if you guys want, I'll take the buff no questions asked. @Rkey, I've got mixed feelings on your avatar. One part of me says I shouldn't like it, the other says it's fine I should appreciate the design and shape. Your call man. Reminds me of Renamon. |
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