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Mario vs. Marth Shiek and Falco
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 08/11/2012, 12:52 AM
(This post was last modified: 08/11/2012 12:57 AM by Viceversa96.)
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Can somebody tell me how to deal with these three?
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08/11/2012, 02:36 AM
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If you think he's missing something, clearly you're the one missing something. He's got just about everything in fact. And therefore, an answer to just about everything. He's above par in most things, but not amazing except much but having a great projectile and amazing combo game on most of the cast. Other than that, he's average or slightly above average in just about everything. That's what makes him great actually- he has very few weaknesses, and his weaknesses are generally less exploitable than other characters' weaknesses.
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![[Image: smashmodsgimmicksmall.png]](http://i1174.photobucket.com/albums/r615/DrinkingFood/smashmodsgimmicksmall.png)
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08/11/2012, 12:27 PM
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(08/11/2012 02:36 AM)DrinkingFood Wrote: If you think he's missing something, clearly you're the one missing something. He's got just about everything in fact. And therefore, an answer to just about everything. He's above par in most things, but not amazing except much but having a great projectile and amazing combo game on most of the cast. Other than that, he's average or slightly above average in just about everything. That's what makes him great actually- he has very few weaknesses, and his weaknesses are generally less exploitable than other characters' weaknesses. I'm asking how to deal with the three mentioned the poll is there just to be there |
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08/11/2012, 01:31 PM
(This post was last modified: 08/11/2012 01:32 PM by Kink-Link5.)
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CC Marth and Sheik, grab Falco. There's no single answer for "how to deal with characters." There are broad overarching weaknesses for some matchups, but most come down to just outplaying your opponent. Just like, space bair and shit I guess. It would help if you said what problems you have with the matchup really. |
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08/11/2012, 02:26 PM
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(08/11/2012 01:31 PM)Kink-Link5 Wrote: CC Marth and Sheik, grab Falco. I'll put a video up on what I mean |
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09/07/2012, 08:25 PM
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(08/11/2012 01:31 PM)Kink-Link5 Wrote: CC Marth and Sheik, grab Falco. ^Not really. This is what made the MU in Melee so free for Sheik in the first place. All these Marios expecting to CC something and then they get grabbed so that they can be CG'd and combo'd to death. Luckily, Sheik grabs aren't ultra-bad anymore, but it still hurts. Same goes for Marth and you don't really wanna CC tippered attacks either. As for Falco, well, you can't grab through consistent shine pressure. All that being said, if you DO happen to grab Falco (or Sheik), CG them until they hit decent combo %'s. I know this worked in Melee and I think it should still work in P:M, too. However, if the Marths aren't spacing their attacks, the Sheiks keep doing dumb punishable things, and the Falcos aren't consistent with their shine ATs, then by all means, CC and GRAB them. Quote:There's no single answer for "how to deal with characters." There are broad overarching weaknesses for some matchups, but most come down to just outplaying your opponent. Just like, space bair and shit I guess. ^This. Also, know your combo tree on floaties (Marth?), Sheiks, and fast-fallers (Falco). A grab should equal at least 30% if you're doing your stuff right. Also, all of these chars get edgeguarded for free (well...almost). Marth and Falco can be caped, Falco can be baired, and Mario can just take advantage of Sheik's situational recovery to throw her off time and time again. If she tries to needle you, cape 'em back! 
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09/07/2012, 08:43 PM
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Besides Sheik, these match-ups aren't even that hard for Mario. Falco: - Chaingrab his ass - Higher percents -> Grab -> uthrow or dthrow -> kill move - Gimp with bair or cape - Projectile camp with fireballs and cape his lasers Marth: - Projectile camp with fireballs - dthrow -> uair or utilt combos to regrab, rinse and repeat - Easy to ledgeguard with cape. If they sweetspot just read it and grab the ledge - Space with ftilts - Dair beats everything in the air |
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![[Image: headnod-1.gif]](http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b377/Vergil146/headnod-1.gif)
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09/07/2012, 09:35 PM
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Dair autocancels so easily, like on shield hits
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![[Image: ibmaYliMHXF1G5.gif]](http://i.minus.com/ibmaYliMHXF1G5.gif)
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09/07/2012, 09:38 PM
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(09/07/2012 08:43 PM)Eli Wrote: Marth:  ....since when?
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09/07/2012, 09:46 PM
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Since always, bro.
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09/07/2012, 09:51 PM
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I just thought that the act of reaching out with his leg could get him punished when hit by a disjoint as long as Marth's sword. Same goes with dair. Then again, I don't really play or understand Mario so I'm probably missing something... :/
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09/07/2012, 11:10 PM
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All Mario need to do is camp Marth with fire balls Also I can just chain grab him because fireballs have doc's pill hitstun and the pill rush technique still exists. A good Mario knows to mix up his options if Mario does all of that he will win lol read my signature
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09/07/2012, 11:20 PM
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Back in demo v1 the secret was Up-smash
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09/07/2012, 11:47 PM
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(09/07/2012 11:10 PM)Viceversa96 Wrote: All Mario need to do is camp Marth with fire balls Also I can just chain grab him because fireballs have doc's pill hitstun and the pill rush technique still exists. A good Mario knows to mix up his options if Mario does all of that he will win lol read my signature Wait a sec... If you already knew the answer, what was the point of the OP?  Lolz, anyway, what is this "pill rush" tech you speak of? Also, I really feel like Marth is too floaty to be CG'd by anyone other than Sheik, Falcon, and Ganon, but perhaps I'm wrong. What throw do you use? Dthrow?(09/07/2012 11:20 PM)SpiderMad Wrote: Back in demo v1 the secret was Up-smash I'm not sure I follow... 
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09/07/2012, 11:55 PM
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Mario is fantastic, easily top tier. If your having trouble with those three I have one word for you. Cape. If that doesn't work then take it to the hole and dunk on the playa.
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![[Image: Falcon-KNEE.gif]](http://images.wikia.com/ssb/images/b/b8/Falcon-KNEE.gif)
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09/08/2012, 12:12 AM
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Well, cape works for everything but Sheik. There could be trouble with that one...
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09/08/2012, 12:19 AM
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Mario has so many tools in P:M. Melee vets play him like Melee Mario or doc but Mario feels brand new in P:M and is much better. Fox honestly doesn't have much range but he's top tier in melee. Mario doesn't need super range. Also the OP was posted awhile ago. I can deal with Marth, Sheik, and Falco easily. The only thing I really think Mario needs left before the final release is Up b cancel (give the jump punch doc's power) and the down-b spike from 64. But anyways yeah.
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09/08/2012, 12:21 AM
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I counter shiek with fireballs. Cause every shiek player I play who starts losing starts camping. So I use a lot of fire balls and spacing for that one. But it's still a hard mathcup
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09/08/2012, 12:34 AM
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Btw Notably, on flat stages, Dr. Mario can perform the Pill Rush technique, by sending out multiple Megavitamins with a short hop; it acts as an extreme pressure option against opponents, forcing characters into the air. And Mario can CG a lot of characters. He can even CG Sonic
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09/08/2012, 12:50 AM
(This post was last modified: 09/08/2012 12:52 AM by Bubbaking.)
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Short hops or full hops? I don't think megavitamins were that fast. I play quite a bit of Doc in Melee and I always have to FH and avoid FFing whenever I throw out pills. :/ Edit: Wait, do you mean multiple pills during one SH or multiple 'pill hops', as in series of one pill during one hop? |
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