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06/27/2010, 09:28 PM
Post: #21
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I've been saying Wolf is OP since 1.0
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06/28/2010, 02:09 AM
Post: #22
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I don't know what "secrets" your talking about but I'm pretty sure it's something we've all already seen and done before. Wolf is a good character but he has lots of room for improvement.
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06/28/2010, 02:43 AM
Post: #23
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Easy to setup zero to deaths does leave Wolf with more improvements. Obviously he needs more -Combo break ability with shine -Less susceptibility to CGs/juggles even though he is a fastfaller -More setups into zero to death combos This was completely sarcastic btw... |
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06/29/2010, 01:26 AM
Post: #24
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Not to say that everything you said is false, but your sadly mistaken if you think Wolf is OP compared to the rest of the cast.
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06/29/2010, 02:14 AM
Post: #25
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(06/29/2010 01:26 AM)Shade_ Wrote: Not to say that everything you said is false, but your sadly mistaken if you think Wolf is OP compared to the rest of the cast. Besides MK, who is better? |
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06/29/2010, 02:42 AM
Post: #26
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MK, Wolf, Shiek, GW, Luigi, Pikachu and Ness probably round out the top tier. Other characters are good, and can obviously compete, but these are the characters that have a chance at tourney wins within a group of skilled players. Falco maaaaybe. |
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06/29/2010, 03:17 AM
(This post was last modified: 06/29/2010 03:18 AM by Oro?!.)
Post: #27
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I would trade Ness out for Squirtle. B1tches don't know bout squirtle. Plus with Ness' slightly reduced Fair range, and increased KBG for less autocombos, he isn't as spammable and easy win.
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06/29/2010, 12:28 PM
Post: #28
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(06/29/2010 02:42 AM)dmbrandon Wrote: MK, Wolf, Shiek, GW, Luigi, Pikachu and Ness probably round out the top tier.I only agree with mk and ness being top tier. most characters with multiple jumps (jiggz, mk, falco, pit) are definitely top tier kirby is garbz imo. designed to play with the scrub kirby metagame (spam copy and stone) wolf is probably high tier somewhere and being overrated because 1 person is good with him... he def got falcon good combos his recovery is still shit though, until its like foxes as far as angle control it is terrible (06/29/2010 03:17 AM)Bzoo Wrote: I would trade Ness out for Squirtle. B1tches don't know bout squirtle. Plus with Ness' slightly reduced Fair range, and increased KBG for less autocombos, he isn't as spammable and easy win.lol ness is still stupid good, DJC is rape, wavemag is rape, JC pk fire is rape and makes for very hard to punish approaches. |
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06/29/2010, 03:54 PM
Post: #29
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(06/29/2010 03:17 AM)Bzoo Wrote: I would trade Ness out for Squirtle. B1tches don't know bout squirtle. Plus with Ness' slightly reduced Fair range, and increased KBG for less autocombos, he isn't as spammable and easy win. Squirtle is decent, but since the nerf, all you have to do is bait fair and you win. Ness is fucking amazing. Ness has more bullshit than anyone. Zucco picked him up and said: "Man, I wonder if this works" and then proceeded to kill me. Delta brought me to two stocks with Ness, and he had no idea you could DJC or JC the PKF. like... wtf. (06/29/2010 12:28 PM)gangstakirby Wrote: I only agree with mk and ness being top tier. Kirby for bottom tier, along with Peach. ew. Wolf's recovery is like... infinite. I go to gimp him, and he's like, nah, lemme just sideBcancel under FD from the back corner and then grab the other ledge. brb. Pit is good. When someone gets complete control of those arrows, there could be some serious shit going on. Ninjaedd (100% juice member, and first person to use glide tossing in tourney. beat spammerer, was insane) was able to control 5 arrows at once. It was insane. I think when someone master's it, they're 0-death everyone. (Cept bowser. bowser don't care bout no arrows.) |
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06/29/2010, 05:16 PM
Post: #30
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kirby is designed for the basic scrub kirby metagame which is gonzo comboing. stone like crazy. inhale all the time. they made it effective and all but its super predictable so he sucks. lol maybe on not fd, but alot of chars in b- have stupid good recoveries.... all the spacies can go under stage now lol. pits arrows are RIDICULOUS we have a pit main here (B_J_) that is very very unknown that can control 2 of each kind in b- at once with really really good accuracy and his arrows... are like... 90% chance of gimping you no matter what character you are if you are either offscreen or below the stage.... lil fairy gay boy pit mains prolly wet themselves at the sight of b- pit. |
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06/29/2010, 10:24 PM
Post: #31
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lol at saying wolf's recovery is bad.
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06/30/2010, 12:01 AM
Post: #32
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(06/29/2010 10:24 PM)Zucco Wrote: lol at saying wolf's recovery is bad. |
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06/30/2010, 02:08 PM
(This post was last modified: 06/30/2010 02:10 PM by Shade_.)
Post: #33
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He's got great horizontal recovery, but if you get him under the stage you just need to time an edge hog right and hes as good as gone. People with tiny air jumps like Falco/MK/Kirby/Pit/Charizard/etc can usually doing this by simply planking when they are trying to recover.
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06/30/2010, 05:08 PM
Post: #34
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15~ ledge frames say hello trying to edge guard recoveries with active hitboxes.
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07/01/2010, 12:47 AM
Post: #35
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15 frames is enough to be invincible all through wolf's kick even if he sweet spots it. If you don't believe me try it. Jump back and grab the edge as wolf is rising. Even if Wolf sweet spots it wont hurt you cus you'll still be invulnerable. Its even easier if the Wolf doesn't sweet spot cus he'll just pass right over you. Also, any sex kick/move will knock wolf right out of side B. Meaning even if he recovers with side B, he's out of luck. Fox counter's Wolf hard when it comes to recovery. Bair, nair, and dair all stop his side B. Bair actually kills wolf if he tries to side B with higher percents. Another nifty thing about Fox vs Wolf is that fox can shine wolf right in the middle of being hit by wolf's up B. You Can literally press shine while being hit with the consecutive parts of Wolf's up B and shine him out of it. Any decent Fox can shine spike wolf from up B with out getting hit pretty easily too. Fox also has the easiest time edge hogging wolf as he can just wavedash back onto it. |
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07/01/2010, 05:24 AM
Post: #36
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Wavedash to edge is not nearly as efficient as Melee because you can run off the ledge, fast fall, and grab backwards. 15 frames is literally nothing. |
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07/01/2010, 12:42 PM
Post: #37
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most stages allow you to just SideB to the other side of the stage. Unless you are fighting on PS1, Yoshi's, or some stage that wont let you go under, this is always an option.
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07/01/2010, 02:52 PM
Post: #38
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Regardless if it's "nothing" or not you can do it. Get one of your friends to be Wolf and have him/her grab the edge, let go and then UP B back up. If you grab the edge right as they get to you, you wont get hit. It also lasts long enough even if wolf kicks. Don't make go put up 10 second video on youtube. I guess you could go to the other side, but when you come up you risk being edge hogged. You are correct though if the wolf is close enough and up B's directly horizontal and smashes himself into the edge for a second. You can't be invincible through Wolf's entire up B. Wave dash backwards isn't as effecient, however for most melee people it's a much simpler button input and has less chance of messing up. |
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07/04/2010, 02:17 PM
Post: #39
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lol at Shade thinking he can beat Wolf to the other side.
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07/04/2010, 04:53 PM
(This post was last modified: 07/04/2010 05:06 PM by Shade_.)
Post: #40
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Lol, well in this situation of Fox vs Wolf. I'm pretty sure Fox's Side B will get to the other side before Wolf's. Though your right in that other characters probably wont get there before wolf. However, putting in the time it takes for wolf to start up his Up-B it's still not impossible to edgehog him
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