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11/15/2009, 01:07 PM (This post was last modified: 11/23/2009 05:39 AM by Danx.)
Post: #1
I'll be updating the OPs as information comes in. This thread should be used for ideas and testing results for Kirby. Videos are appreciated.

Proposed General Changes
Stone start-up lag reduce, are gives invulnerability, but longer end lag (?)
forward and back throws can suicide
inhale keeps for longer (?)
more airspeed
less hammer start-up lag on ground
inhale = heavy armor and more range. Powers are more insane than the character themselves
harder to make kirby drop an ability
upthrow stronger, kills earlier
pummel +1 or 2% damage
downthrow increases damage, constant knockback
final cutter top hit spike is more epic
Hammer is buffed with fire
sidesmash has super armor and a bit more horizontal gain
rapid jab 3 has double the range
downtilt slides across the ground

(changes edited in by DM)
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11/20/2009, 02:49 PM
Post: #2
stone startup lag reduced
fthrow and back throw should be able to suicide like in melee
inhale should keep them in longer (for swallowcides)
more airspeed
less startup lag on ground hammer
inhale should have heavyarmor and more range (but not as much as dededes)
In general his copy attacks should be stronger and reflect the changes made to other characters
It should be harder to knock abilities out of him
uthrow should kill earlier
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11/21/2009, 10:54 AM
Post: #3
(11/20/2009 02:49 PM)Red X Wrote:  stone startup lag reduced
Agreed
fthrow and back throw should be able to suicide like in melee
I'll lol with that, so that's a good idea. make the forward throw jump jump and go forward a little like "rock drop" suplex move from KSS.
inhale should keep them in longer (for swallowcides)
indeed, that's a good one if it's plausible.
more airspeed
Agreed. a decent amount more at that.
less startup lag on ground hammer
XD, hammer of doom is fun. agreed
inhale should have heavyarmor and more range (but not as much as dededes)
Super armor would be good in one way, but bad in another, cause then you can punish him from behind if you can get there which would make a good anti-kirby thing, which I actually agree on. Range is a given. dedede range. I actually say we should actually have that range. Spit power, damage and eat damage should also be somewhat increases.
In general his copy attacks should be stronger and reflect the changes made to other characters
Indeed again. Agreed.
It should be harder to knock abilities out of him
that's a given, provided it's plausible with codes etc.
uthrow should kill earlier
it is a powerful throw. so agreed. Also give it a little shockwave upon hitting the ground which trips or something. therefore making it doubly as useful as crowd control.

As far as my ideas go:

Stone should have invulnerability while it lasts like in the original games. and also have a grounding splash damage on it.

Pummel should deal a tad more damage, 1 or 2% should do it.

downthrow is buffed, but has set knockback, but not little enough to chain grab if it's gonna get buffed. Other throws also buffed and like I agreed on with my comments to redX

final cutter down hit is an epic spike like it is on the original SSB64, cause I always love finishing them with that. I say we bring it back. The shockwave of FC also hurts more.

Hammer has fire charging on it and hits with a massive flame splash like a charged hammer attack from Kirby superstar

Spin kick (sidesmash) has some horizontal slide distance to it, in which case while moving he's got light SA. (10% should do it just so it can fly through most jabs and light moves)

vulcan jab (the repetitive attack after jab 2) should have a bit of extra range but deal a little more knockback so it's like a short range projectile.

downtilt is his signature slide from most kirby games.
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11/21/2009, 10:59 AM
Post: #4
I think that with kirby, we should make swallow worthwhile. How easy is it to buff the abilities kirby gets with his swallow?

This idea comes form SSF2, another project I'm working on. Try kirby vs. ichigo, kirby vs. Naruto, or Kirby vs. Lloyd. You'll notice the matchup goes from decent to ridiculous when you get their abilities. In the ichigo matchup, kirby can fire off Ichigo's really strong and above all HUGE getsuga with ridiculous speed. In the Lloyd matchup, kirby can basically shorthop-B the opponent into oblivion, it's that good. In the Naruto matchup, Kirby gains the ability to summon a hitbox about twice his size in about... 1-2 frames?

What if we could make kirby's swallow worth actually using instead of bad? Make the tornado he gains vs MK have a huge range and even sicker priority than MK's. Make his eruption ridiculously fast vs. Ike. Make his shieldbreaker actually have range. Make his arrows explode on contact. Stuff like that, along with buffing the move itself a lot and general knockback/damage buffs, and we could have a character who is ridiculously broken in every matchup... except the mirror. :V
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11/21/2009, 11:04 AM
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(11/21/2009 10:59 AM)The Cadet Wrote:  I think that with kirby, we should make swallow worthwhile. How easy is it to buff the abilities kirby gets with his swallow?

This idea comes form SSF2, another project I'm working on. Try kirby vs. ichigo, kirby vs. Naruto, or Kirby vs. Lloyd. You'll notice the matchup goes from decent to ridiculous when you get their abilities. In the ichigo matchup, kirby can fire off Ichigo's really strong and above all HUGE getsuga with ridiculous speed. In the Lloyd matchup, kirby can basically shorthop-B the opponent into oblivion, it's that good. In the Naruto matchup, Kirby gains the ability to summon a hitbox about twice his size in about... 1-2 frames?

What if we could make kirby's swallow worth actually using instead of bad? Make the tornado he gains vs MK have a huge range and even sicker priority than MK's. Make his eruption ridiculously fast vs. Ike. Make his shieldbreaker actually have range. Make his arrows explode on contact. Stuff like that, along with buffing the move itself a lot and general knockback/damage buffs, and we could have a character who is ridiculously broken in every matchup... except the mirror. :V

Cadet mah boi, that is absolutely brilliant. I AGREE OVER 9000 TIMES! lol

btw, due to taunts becominf functional. the kirby dance (up taunt) should heal, the spinny thing (side taunt) should reflect while he's spinning, and the hi should just annoy people, so make him invulnerable while he does that one... or perhaps it can be so annoying it poisons them with a flower. XD

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11/22/2009, 09:52 AM
Post: #6
because I want to try, everyone doesn't mind if I try doing some kirby with PSA do they? Probably be a good learning experience to get rid of the boredom. any "OBJECTION!"s?

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11/22/2009, 10:10 AM (This post was last modified: 11/22/2009 10:10 AM by Bionic.)
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No objections. Just fuck around with shit, I guess. See what you can do.
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11/23/2009, 09:40 AM
Post: #8
meh. On second thought I might leave it to the pros to do. >.<' I'll just be a tester and ideas man. and of course the annoying guy on the other side of the world complaining about PAL. -.-

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11/23/2009, 09:49 AM
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(11/23/2009 09:40 AM)Darkmega Wrote:  meh. On second thought I might leave it to the pros to do. >.<' I'll just be a tester and ideas man. and of course the annoying guy on the other side of the world complaining about PAL. -.-

Hey, that's my job! Dodgy
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11/23/2009, 09:56 AM
Post: #10
(11/23/2009 09:49 AM)The Cadet Wrote:  
(11/23/2009 09:40 AM)Darkmega Wrote:  meh. On second thought I might leave it to the pros to do. >.<' I'll just be a tester and ideas man. and of course the annoying guy on the other side of the world complaining about PAL. -.-

Hey, that's my job! Dodgy

eh what? your job to be a tester and ideas man? or your job to be the annoying PAL complainer? .... getting off topic here. >.<'

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11/23/2009, 10:36 AM
Post: #11
All three. :V

All right... Now I still don't know what to do with kirby... Maybe collect ideas as to how to make the individual sucks special?
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11/23/2009, 10:09 PM
Post: #12
Kirby's inhale should have suction power the size of FD. Not like really high suction, but just enough to suck your opponent towards you slightly and incite lulz.
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11/23/2009, 10:15 PM
Post: #13
Give Hammer a sweetspot on the backswing like in Melee. U-tilt should have a bit of IASA as well.
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11/24/2009, 03:04 AM (This post was last modified: 11/24/2009 03:05 AM by shapular.)
Post: #14
(11/15/2009 01:07 PM)The Cadet Wrote:  I'll be updating the OPs as information comes in. This thread should be used for ideas and testing results for Kirby. Videos are appreciated.

Proposed General Changes
Stone start-up lag reduce, are gives invulnerability, but longer end lag (?)
Not so sure about that... dunno though
forward and back throws can suicide
YEZCHSS!
inhale keeps for longer (?)
meh. kirby S.D'ing iis kiinda lame
more airspeed
less hammer start-up lag on ground
inhale = heavy armor and more range. Powers are more insane than the character themselves
Thiis whole THIING!!!, esepeciially the biit about the powers
harder to make kirby drop an ability
Maby eliimiinate iit alltoughter?
upthrow stronger, kills earlier
pummel +1 or 2% damage
downthrow increases damage, constant knockback
final cutter top hit spike is more epic
Hammer is buffed with fire
LOL, Fiire damage, but add the other elements asthetiics, just for the lulz
sidesmash has super armor and a bit more horizontal gain
rapid jab 3 has double the range
downtilt slides across the ground


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11/24/2009, 06:43 AM
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(11/24/2009 03:04 AM)wiigii Wrote:  
(11/15/2009 01:07 PM)The Cadet Wrote:  I'll be updating the OPs as information comes in. This thread should be used for ideas and testing results for Kirby. Videos are appreciated.

Proposed General Changes
Stone start-up lag reduce, are gives invulnerability, but longer end lag (?)
Not so sure about that... dunno though
forward and back throws can suicide
YEZCHSS!
inhale keeps for longer (?)
meh. kirby S.D'ing iis kiinda lame
more airspeed
less hammer start-up lag on ground
inhale = heavy armor and more range. Powers are more insane than the character themselves
Thiis whole THIING!!!, esepeciially the biit about the powers
harder to make kirby drop an ability
Maby eliimiinate iit alltoughter?
upthrow stronger, kills earlier
pummel +1 or 2% damage
downthrow increases damage, constant knockback
final cutter top hit spike is more epic
Hammer is buffed with fire
LOL, Fiire damage, but add the other elements asthetiics, just for the lulz
sidesmash has super armor and a bit more horizontal gain
rapid jab 3 has double the range
downtilt slides across the ground

lol. ok, make the stone completely broken then. and yes the power idea should be worked on well. if it's a projectile just make him use more or make him use it faster. if it can actually be edited like da tornado... bigger, faster, powerfuler, etc etc. so if you get spammed by it and you use kirby, if they get eaten, they better watch out.

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11/24/2009, 04:57 PM
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(11/24/2009 03:04 AM)wiigii Wrote:  
(11/15/2009 01:07 PM)The Cadet Wrote:  I'll be updating the OPs as information comes in. This thread should be used for ideas and testing results for Kirby. Videos are appreciated.


harder to make kirby drop an ability
^OOPS!


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11/24/2009, 05:07 PM
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It's already pretty hard, I thought...
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11/25/2009, 02:18 PM (This post was last modified: 11/25/2009 06:04 PM by Lehman.)
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Proposed General Changes
Stone start-up lag gone, are gives invulnerability, <IASA at anytime>
forward and back throws can suicide spike
more airspeed
inhale = heavy armor and more range. Powers are more insane than the character themselves <not currently possible to change his power Sad but make inhales reach box not have the retarded windpull at the far point>
harder to make kirby drop an ability <cant drop ability with out dtaunt or death>
upthrow stronger, kills earlier <IASA frames while offscreen (omni-gay anyone? ;D)>
pummel +1 or 2% damage <extremely rapid 2% pummels>
downthrow increases damage, constant knockback
final cutter top hit spike is more epic <cutter beam spikes>
Hammer is buffed with fire <hammer be like amazing mirror hammer... long long long start up for OHKO's>
sidesmash has super armor and a bit more horizontal gain
rapid jab 3 has double the range
downtilt slides across the ground <constant backward knockback over kirbys head>



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11/25/2009, 05:01 PM
Post: #19
Would there be a way to allow Kirby to select his Copy-B move out of all 37?
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11/25/2009, 06:15 PM
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(11/25/2009 05:01 PM)Recycle Wrote:  Would there be a way to allow Kirby to select his Copy-B move out of all 37?

lol?
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