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Some Peach- Ideas
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05/03/2010, 03:50 AM
Post: #1
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I'm a peach main and I'd love to see her take her broken game to the next level. However, I've played her in - 1.0 and I have to say she doesnt feel very broken. Yes, granted her Side B can cancel and 2 floats is amazing. but besides that + Fthrow, she really doesnt seem that much changed. I know theres more, but I'm looking at the big differences. Not knocking the guy who did peach- (I think xyless) but the graphical animations are pointless. HeartPetals on skip and Dair jsut seem silly. Can she have her melee Dsmash back? Melee second jump. Plucks more random items than just the beamsword, bomb and Mr saturn. Not saying make the chances higher. Just give her more items to randomly pluck so that the chances are slightly better for her to actually pluck one. Nothing retarded broken like a power star or a hammer, but I think it'd be cool to throw in a small chance for Mr Freezie, Capsule, Fan, Banana Peel, Fire Flower, Pitfall seed, Deku Nut, Smart bomb or hell... Giant Mushroom. heh, with those chances, you can even program in an occasion gimp with a poison mushroom as well. Just a thought. I wonder if it would be possible to program a single face of her turnips to have a new effect. Considering the '.' turnip has a high damage ratio, and the Stitch Faced turnip is like its own kill move. Is it possible to texture one of her turnips black (or pain a bomb on it) and have it explode like Toon links bombs? Ya know, with same same hitbox and all that. That way she has at least 1 guaranteed "random" pluck that will show itself each match. Air dodge out of first umbrella, but not the second? Just some ideas. |
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05/03/2010, 06:02 AM
Post: #2
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Hearts are awesome, and should stay in. You can't say it's silly to have hearts on her walk, her walk is the best in the game. But yeah, melee d-smash. I really want that too.
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05/03/2010, 04:19 PM
Post: #3
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They're alright, they just don't add any value to the character's broken-ness
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05/03/2010, 05:49 PM
Post: #4
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Ehm... Did you just say that melee d-smash is not broken? We had it deal... I think 82% damage once.
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05/03/2010, 07:49 PM
Post: #5
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My guess is that he was talking about the hearts.
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05/03/2010, 10:46 PM
Post: #6
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most likely yeah, anyway, I totally support melee dsmash to add to her brokeness, Melee float speed would also help, but we already have two floats so w/e
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05/04/2010, 12:25 AM
(This post was last modified: 05/04/2010 12:28 AM by Xyless.)
Post: #7
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(05/03/2010 03:50 AM)TheEnigmaLiesBroken Wrote: I'm a peach main and I'd love to see her take her broken game to the next level.oh hey, I'm a Peach main too. Glad to see another Peach main on here. (05/03/2010 03:50 AM)TheEnigmaLiesBroken Wrote: However, I've played her in - 1.0 and I have to say she doesnt feel very broken. Yes, granted her Side B can cancel and 2 floats is amazing. but besides that + Fthrow, she really doesnt seem that much changed.Silly is the point. The point that any of her attacks have hearts is silly in the first place in vBrawl, I just added it to moves where I felt it fit her best. (05/03/2010 03:50 AM)TheEnigmaLiesBroken Wrote: Can she have her melee Dsmash back?At one point, I considered giving her melee dsmash. However, as I made her, I noticed that EVERYONE clung to it as the "MUST HAVE" minus move for Peach, which I disapproved of. I wanted people to be more creative than just revert to a glorified Melee Peach. Instead, I gave her dsmash special properties. It isn't her most broken move at all, but it's an amazing disorienting move, as well as unique in its own way. (05/03/2010 03:50 AM)TheEnigmaLiesBroken Wrote: Melee second jump.I don't know where you've been, but almost all Peach players consider her second jump to be better in Brawl than it is in Melee. Melee's was high, but her parasol was terrible vertically, which balanced the height and made it fine. But with Brawl's parasol's height Peach doesn't have to worry about the height she would get. Her double jump is used far more for spacing. Especially in Brawl-, where she can up air chain like CRAZY because of her double jump. (05/03/2010 03:50 AM)TheEnigmaLiesBroken Wrote: Plucks more random items than just the beamsword, bomb and Mr saturn.We considered this, but it was outside of my control, since it is controlled in common3. I definitely will be adding more items to the rotation once we get into hacking common3 more. In response to your item thoughts... -Mr Freezie: Don't really see a problem with that. -Capsule: Probably not, Capsule has caused glitches with Dedede with Brawl-, might do the same with Peach. -Fan: No, that was the first item people were pushing for, but the general consensus with everyone is that the fan is just too stupidly broken and unfun. -Banana Peel: Not taking Diddy's trademark item. -Fire Flower: MAYBE, but probably not. It's another item that is pretty unfun for the opponent. -Pitfall: Maybe -Deku Nut: Not taking Link's special item. -Smart Bomb: Maybe, but probably not. Though Gooey Bomb would be ok. -Mushrooms: Don't think it'd work well. An item that is already guaranteed to be the first item added is Lip's Stick, whenever we get to it, because it isn't broken in its own right, and is fun to wield. (05/03/2010 03:50 AM)TheEnigmaLiesBroken Wrote: I wonder if it would be possible to program a single face of her turnips to have a new effect. Considering the '.' turnip has a high damage ratio, and the Stitch Faced turnip is like its own kill move. Is it possible to texture one of her turnips black (or pain a bomb on it) and have it explode like Toon links bombs? Ya know, with same same hitbox and all that. That way she has at least 1 guaranteed "random" pluck that will show itself each match.Faces are also something that I didn't have the power to edit before, since I am not a master of hex editing yet. I have a write-up of plans for each face, but I'm not really revealing it to anyone since I like having some suprises. One that I'll reveal is the stitchface acting like the Deku Nut on the ground, stunning...since it represents the stitchface...face...well. It isn't possible to change the color of the turnips (well, it'd change all of the turnips), but I could look into changing the faces, which I didn't think about. Might make for some great new aspects of the turnip. (05/03/2010 03:50 AM)TheEnigmaLiesBroken Wrote: Air dodge out of first umbrella, but not the second?I'm not quite sure what this means, but the parasol is the special I'm personally least satisfied with, but time restraints near the end prevented me from really perfecting what was supposed to be her landing with no lag at the end. Anyways, I believe that Peach is probably the character that takes the longest to really figure out. A few things you're overlooking (maybe oversimplifying, but I'll mention it anyway): -Forward Smash is controllable (up tilted brings frying pan, down tilted brings racket, normal fsmash does club). Also, knockback was greatly increased. -Toad can be interrupted immediately after he activates (when spores come out), so you aren't helpless -Side B is an amazing mindgame and spacing tool, which makes her completely unpredictable -Uair is a powerful juggling tool, considering it's unchanged and vBrawl Peach can already juggle characters to, like, 70%. With the added hitstun, it's possible to go even further if you play her right. Plus if you used the Peach- that was made before mine, you would've known why I went simple instead of over-the-top damage racker. Peach is in the same boat as Kirby, ZSS, and MK, in that they are aerial combo whores, so buffs have to be very carefully placed, otherwise the character will be unbalancedly broken. |
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05/04/2010, 01:59 AM
Post: #8
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Went back and played with all the things you recommended. I gotta say I was quite mistaken about alot of it. I've recently given up B+ for B- and I have been playing this game like B+ haha so forgive me for not knowing about some of the changes. A big problem with my posts before was the lack of an available change list to take a look at and get used to. (05/04/2010 12:25 AM)Xyless Wrote: HeartsI'm cool with that. (05/04/2010 12:25 AM)Xyless Wrote: NOT Melee DsmashLol. U win. (05/04/2010 12:25 AM)Xyless Wrote: Air Juggling - No melee jumpI cant believe I overlooked this one. I regularly used the double float and never once considered juggling someone that far This is pure win and definitely exceeds the melee jump thing. (05/04/2010 12:25 AM)Xyless Wrote: Item Choices. Freezie, Lipstick, and Gooey bomb sound like a great plan. Though the low chance of actually plucking a fire flower still lead me to beleive it wouldnt be such a big deal, but I can see what you mean by annoying. Does link pluck deku nuts? I didnt know this (05/04/2010 12:25 AM)Xyless Wrote: TurnipsYessssssssssssss >.< The turnips dont need to be extremely modded, but the idea of having different ones is something worth salavating over. I can see it now. Explodey turnip. Heavy turnip. Far flying turnip. Who knows. That stitchy idea was cool though  (05/04/2010 12:25 AM)Xyless Wrote: Double Parasol. Well, my idea here was that while you're falling during a parasol, maybe you can cancel it with air dodge, float some more (only if second float is still available), then parasol again - though, on the second parasol you cant air dodge out of it. Kinda like having a free fall animation without air dodge - though in this case you can stil open and close the umbrella. But who knows. (05/04/2010 12:25 AM)Xyless Wrote: End: FSmash: Had no idea. Loved the concept, tried it out, very nice. Toad: Good mod. Was unaware of this one too. SideB: Yeahhhhhhhhhhh i know XD Been abusing that one Uair: as said far above. never considered it, tried it out more, works out great. NO complaints about jumps anymore. |
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05/10/2010, 09:28 AM
Post: #9
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I didn't notice that on the Fsmash, good thinking! And she should be able to pluck out smokeball too, just to add to the variety. I feel like fire flower wouuldnt be the worst thing, considering it is from her franchise. I mean it's annoying, but at least it runs out fairly quickly and isn't going to kill you. Oh and to add to the variety, maybe she could pull out team healer? Just because it would be really random in 1v1. And cool for team matches.
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05/11/2010, 12:56 AM
Post: #10
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I love the idea of adding alternate turnips. Stitchy is something horrifying that completely changes the pace of the game (especially back in melee), and having something slightly more common, but slightly less devastating might be interesting. One of my first thoughts is adding a turnip with heavy shield damage and shield stun perhaps. Shielding tends to be extremely safe for turnips, and mixing that up might be interesting. I had another thought that's a completely different direction for turnips though. Is it possible to make the throw animation cancel into ground attacks? I'd love to see Peach get sliding ground attacks from glide tosses. Maybe something similar to Jigglypuff's or Falco's DACUS in slide distance, only into any ground attack. That and the ability to dump turnips more quickly if you're getting pressured up close might be nice. What do you guys think? |
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05/11/2010, 05:46 PM
Post: #11
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(05/11/2010 12:56 AM)Droog Wrote: I had another thought that's a completely different direction for turnips though. Is it possible to make the throw animation cancel into ground attacks? I personally think that that is a great idea! And I like the shieldstun idea too. But would the turnip toss cancel make her too broken? I think it would be okay as long as it couldn't cancel into grab, maybe? |
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05/11/2010, 08:50 PM
Post: #12
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It's definitely a fine line, and I have to agree canceling into a grab would be way too good. If grabs are disabled, my first impression is that it doesn't seem too much more unreasonable than the side-B canceling into aerials. I would have to use it to pass any real judgment though.
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05/18/2010, 05:21 PM
Post: #13
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Please increase her parasol fall speed. About as fast as fox's fastfall.
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05/18/2010, 07:31 PM
Post: #14
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(05/18/2010 05:21 PM)Silby Wrote: Please increase her parasol fall speed. About as fast as fox's fastfall. lolwut |
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05/19/2010, 03:10 AM
Post: #15
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I've made a few changes for her for the next update. -Parasol (closed) can now do the same interrupts as Bomber (attack, jump, dodge, etc), so she isn't as helpless if you wish. However, she doesn't get her parasol back unless she gets hit, touches ground or water, or grabs the edge. More or less, the same reasons she'd get it back anyway (same as MK's specials). -All of Dtilt's hitboxes now spike. Not a big one, but it's at least nice to have. |
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05/19/2010, 12:56 PM
Post: #16
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^ Sounds good to me
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05/19/2010, 04:55 PM
Post: #17
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Oh and how about if Peach's Tennis racquet was a reflector? I think that would make sense.
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05/24/2010, 02:05 AM
(This post was last modified: 05/24/2010 02:39 AM by TheRealBobMan.)
Post: #18
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Make Peach's ass grow 2X when she uses Bair, Bthrow, or Dthrow, or if you can't do modeling hacks (I don't know what you guys can really do), for lulz, make a random chance of Peach leaving a fart cloud with one of those moves like Wario does now. : ) Lmao, Peach uses Bthrow, farts, and does an extra 20% (but no extra knockback). Seem like a B- sort of thing? *Edit* I showed this idea to my friend, and he had this to say: "Yes, let's give Peach flatulence. When she does, she goes "Oh!"" Full credit to Kaizen from All is Brawl for that extra detail. |
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05/24/2010, 04:47 AM
Post: #19
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The fart clouds aren't global, they belong to Wario and can only be used while Wario is in a match. 
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05/24/2010, 05:05 AM
Post: #20
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Damnit... there's no way to change that? How about spawning an invisible smoke ball on her butt for 30 frames when she Dthrows? And kudos to all the uses of farts you included with Wario, including making him fart when grab released. : ) And is it possible to make her butt grow when she does those moves, or is that out of the picture too? |
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