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Jesus fuck this matchup is annoying. Although it got a little better in 1.5 with bowser's hitstun armor reduction, it is still not that fun. Anyone have some tips?

Things bowser has:
-If you fuck up once, you die.
-It is really easy to fuck up.
-Immune to our best combo starters
-Immune to our best long-ranged moves
-Immune to our best combo continuers
-Immune to our best aerial finisher (fair)
-Weighs a ton
-Really good at punishing
-Immune to most of our aerials if you don't sweetspot them
-Kills falco stupidly fast. Not MK/G&W/Jiggs fast, but still-FAST.
-Dsmash. This move is fucking scary.
-upB planking will get you baired and KILLED.

Things we have:
-Uthrow hurts bowser a lot-CGs, 20 damage if he DIs it wrong, kill setup, etc.
-He's huge
-Dair
-We can still camp him-it's just far more annoying and tedious

Things I've found out:
-Forget your staples. Nair, Fair, Bair, utilt... they suck in this matchup.
-Nair/Fair never work.
-Bair works sweetspotted-do NOT RELY ON THIS MOVE. Its spacing is really finnicky and it will often get you upB'd/Dsmash'd.
-Dair works when sweetspotted. Please, please, please make sure you do hit the sweetspot. Bowser is all about punishing
-Uair will juggle bowser. Abuse this.
-None of falco's specials work (well, upB does a shitton of damage, but that's about it)-you still want to lazer him a lot though because it's a fuckin' fast projectile. Just make sure you're safe about it ffs! Lazering a bowser running at you is a good way to eat a shitload of damage
-Aerial SideB will work fresh if bowser is in the air.
-Falco's throws, which normally suck, are REALLY REALLY REALLY GOOD in this matchup. Don't try too too hard, but if you do get the grab, it will hurt bowser hard. Dthrow still blows, but uthrow is fucking incredible. At the very least, you get uthrow->usmash up until around 130 (where it starts killing bowser) and uthrow->uair at higher procents (also kills bowser quite nicely). At most, if your opponent sucks at DI, you get a very long chaingrab ending in a potent kill move. Fthrow can kill. Bthrow goes from your best throw to your very worst throw.
-If you get bowser above 160 or so, life becomes very hard for you.

Best counterpicks?
Best stage bans?
Strategies?

Cross up back air.

Really? Seems risky and hard to pull off.

instead of uthrow usmash, wouldnt uthrow>FFdair>tech chase be better? it sets up for the regrab>repeat

imo falco wins this mu...


also isnt bowser the only char falco CAN cg with dthrow? last i checked he still could


a good falco will also bair>bair>bair>repeat on bowser out of throws too, its not that hard to sweetspot.

your smashes are really really effective, replace them with their tilts equivelants normal uses.

pillaring still is great in this mu too, just its setup differently, usually with usmash>dair or throw of your choice>dair or dair>dair

throwing out an fsmash after a high percent spike onstage often hits bowser and sends him offstage where you can rape his face off with bairs or spike him really easily

Bowser suffers exactly as much hitstun as everyone else from falco's dthrow in 1.5-absolutely none. Dthrowing him is asking for fair or nair.

Uthrow->dair is probably better at low %s, but only if the uthrow CG doesn't work.

I'm not that impressed by falco's smashes. Usmash is great, but it has a low range and is quite risky if you miss. Same with dsmash. And fsmash is just really slow.

I just suck at hitting with sweetspotted bair, I guess.

In any case, the hardest part of this matchup is getting in on bowser. Falco is best at a very close range, or at a very long range-he has great boxing/throws, and lazer. However, bowser definitely has the tools to keep him in "spacing range"; i.e. too far for grab, too close not to get ftilted.

weaaak falcos dthrow is so lame now :/ can we just change it entirely?

maybe even make it the same as foxes?

falcos fsmash is sooooo good, its a great combo finisher imo, and its better than usmash for tech chasing, its really important in this mu, so is spamming lasers, approaching with lasers rather than approaching with out is ALWAYS the better option here imo, because they are still annoying, and they still slow bowser down alil bit, just enough to land a grab you wouldnt get with out the small amount of hitlag that SA has when weak hits hit...

also bowser because alot of his good approaches are single hard hits powershield grabbing rapes him, its a really good option to just camp lasers the whole match and punish slow attacks with ps>anything.


seriously the new PS is amazing.

it makes even "bad" mu's winnable.

New PS? Man, your GCT must be REALLY old.

dude my last one was some random BR build so itt this one is new.

im wondering if i have the current version of Brawl minus can falco use up b after his side b on the current download???

He can but his Side B endlag is a bit longer.

ok one more question what bout snakes f smash does he get only 3 explosions or more?

Jeez man, ask in the snake boards. >.>

oh come on there is nothing there, i dont wanna make a thread just to ask that...

Ice dude did that scene person on AIB ever give you that TJ?

(06/14/2010 11:42 AM)gangstakirby Wrote: [ -> ]Ice dude did that scene person on AIB ever give you that TJ?

i didnt really get what ur trying to say...

¨scene person¨?

i think it was like rain or something, and heshe was always trying to give people trap jobs