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So I'm not sure how useful other Bowser mains have found his light crouching armor, but I crouch the shit out of everything. I might be doing it wrong, but hell it has its uses either way. So unless a list like this already exists, I think we should have a list of attacks against which Bowser's light crouching armor holds up and prevents flinching, since I think it could be a factor in determining his match-ups. I'll start with some attacks I already know, and update the OP when I find more or you guys post some.

I don't know if his dtilt has light armor as well, but if it does, I do know that it's weaker or more situational, since I've occasionally been hit out of my light armor by weak attacks during the hitbox frames of dtilt. Either way, punishing weak attacks out of a crouch via dtilt or some of his other fast attacks like up-b is pretty handy for disrupting approaches/grounded combos.

I know there's probably a set way to determine which attacks his light armor absorbs, but I don't know it, I don't know that every other Bowser main knows it, and I doubt everyone has all the damage/knockback values for individual hits of every attack rather than the total memorized, so I think making a list that people can learn is more effective. I do know, however, that it doesn't matter how much damage Bowser already has; his light armor functions as well as at 0%.

Bowser's uSmash also has light armor while charging, so I can imagine charging it while a character with a multi-hit d-air comes down on you, only to see that it isn't fazing you, and then getting hit (See: Fox, Mario, and Peach's d-airs, just to name a few). His Up-b, d-air, and b-air also have this light armor.

Anyways, by order of characters:

Bowser:
Both jab hits
Any hit of the Up-B except the initial one
Outer dsmash hitboxes except the last hit (only good if you maybe crawl away to punish the end lag)
Flame breath, including the hitbox on the bite at the end
All hits of D-air
Get-up attack

Captain Falcon:
All hits of Jab combo EXCEPT the third one
Side-b
The shockwave of his Down-b when it hits the ground
Get-up attack
Sour spot of F-air

Charizard:
Flamethrower
Initial hit of uSmash
Get-up attack

Dedede:
All hits of jab combo
Waddle-dee and Waddle-doo throws
Waddle-doo zap-attack-things
All hits of D-air
The stars when landing out of Up-b
Get-up attack

Donkey Kong:
Both hits of jab combo
All hits of Up-b except the initial one
Both hits of get-up attack (haven't gotten around to testing for other characters)
Get-up attack

Falco:
Lasers
All hits of jab combo
Side-b
Get-up attack

Fox:
All hits of jab combo
Shine
D-air
Side-b
Get-up attack

Game and Watch:
All hits of jab combo
All hits of B-air
Most of his Side-b (I haven't tested for all numbers but clearly not 9)
Any hit of Up-b
Any hit of neutral-b, including the frying pan
Get-up attack

Ganon:
Jab
One of the end hitboxes on his N-air, just under his leg on the second kick (weird and specific)
One of the end hitboxes (maybe more than one?) on his U-air
Get-up attack

Ike:
All jab combo hits (even the final sword swing, surprisingly enough
The Quickdraw attack
Any hit of Aether
Get-up attack

Jigglypuff:
Both hits of jab combo
All hits of D-air
Both ledge attacks

Link:
His arrows, charged up a slight amount
Boomerang
Bomb in some cases, not sure how it works (appears to be when dropped (not thrown) or when it doesn't hit Bowser directly)
All hits of jab combo
First two hits of uSmash
Second hit of F-air
Both hits of B-air
Any hit of aerial Up-b
Get-up attack

Lucario:
All hits of jab combo
Dtilt
Utilt
All hits of Up-b
Any hit of N-air except the initial one
Hitboxes while charging Aura Sphere
Any hit boxes of uSmash except the initial one (only useful if you are on a platform above him)

Lucas:
Both hits of jab combo
Dtilt
PK Freeze
All hits of PK Thunder 2
All hits of N-air
PSI Magnet

Luigi:
All hits of jab combo
Fireball
Unsweetspotted Up-b

Mario:
All hits of jab combo
All hits of Up-b
All hits of Down-b
Fireball
All hits of D-air

Marth:
Hitboxes behind Marth on hit N-air
Any hit of Up-b
All hits of jab combo
Any hit of his Side-b combos except if the final hit is Side-b or neutral-b

Ness:
Any hit of PK Fire
All hits of jab combo
Dtilt
Utilt
F-air
Charging hitboxes of uSmash and dSmash
All hits of dash attack

Peach:
Both hits of jab combo
All hits of Up-b
Some of her turnips (the weak ones)
All hits of D-air

Pikachu:
Jab
Dtilt
Utilt
Thunder jolt (only while its on the ground)
U-air
All hits of F-air
All hits of dSmash

Pit:
All hits of N-air
All hits of Jab combo
Arrows
Both hits of Utilt

R.O.B.:
Jab combo
ANY OF HIS TILTS
Dash attack
Grounded Side-b
Laser when not fully charged
Gyro about halfway charged or less (when fired)
Gyro anytime on ground
Ledge get-up attack under 100%

Sheik:
All hits of jab combo
Second hit of Utilt, while bringing leg down
Ftilt
Needles
Lingering hitboxes on B-air

Snake:
First two hits of jab combo
All hits of N-air
All hits of D-air
DFtilt (Crawling tilt)
First two slashes of fSmash
First hit of uSmash (Taking out launcher)

Sonic:
All hits of jab combo
ANY OF HIS TILTS
Dash attack
Any hit of Down-b or Side-b
Spring from Up-b
All hit of uSmash

Toon Link:
Arrow
Bomb
Boomerang when returning
All hits of jab combo
Grounded Up-b

Wario:
Both hits of Jab combo
Dash attack
All hits of Up-b
Uncharged Down-b
All hits of uSmash except the last one

Wolf:
Laser (including bayonet)
Jab combo
Ftilt
All hits of N-air
Shine
Non-sweetspot of Side-b
First hit of fSmash

Zelda:
Either hit of Up-b
All hits of Neutral-b
Jab
Dtilt
All hits of uSmash
Beginning hits of fSmash
Sourspots of U-air, F-air and B-air
All hits of N-air

This is not a complete list as most characters I have not tested ledge attacks/get-up attacks/dash attacks for. If anyone wants to post a list of them, I would be infinitely grateful

One of my absolute favorite uses of the crouch armor is absorbing getup attacks so you can immeditely punish from close distance.

Yeah I haven't tested the get-up attacks for most characters- I keep forgetting as I'm running through the character's attacks lol. Same with ledge attacks and dash attacks.

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If anyone wants to test those for me (ledge attacks/get up attacks/dash attacks) for most characters and list them here, we'd all be in your debt. I don't feel like going back down the list and testing them.

Also, Rob looks like he will get decimated by Bowser.

Also keep in mind that you can time an upB out of crouch on moves like Bowser's fire breath and such.

Also keep in mind that Bowser's cc in this game is pretty godly due to UP B afterwards. Between that and the armor, I find the crouch/crawl to be the determining factor in quite a few matches (Lucario is wrecked by it, and I suspect some other characters as well, e.g. ROB or Sonic).

Also keep in mind to keep in mind the two above posts that tell you to keep them in mind.

That sentence totally blew my mind, man. I don't think I'll be able to keep things in it, anymore.

So my thread is actually of use?
*success kid fist pump*

good thread, does his crouch armor get removed at.... 100%? i thought i remember seeing somthing about it not working at higher percents

(05/16/2012 05:16 PM)Blink Wrote: [ -> ]good thread, does his crouch armor get removed at.... 100%? i thought i remember seeing somthing about it not working at higher percents

His heavy armor (like on his smash attacks) doesn't work at higher percents. His lighter crouch armor always works, regardless of how much damage Bowser has.
Oh and thanks took me 2 hours to compile all the info. It's not even finished yet though. Still needs get up attacks/dash attacks/ledge attacks, for which many characters can't flinch him.

oh ok

oh i was going to try to do somthing like this for wolf... still debating it

and Bowser is legit in PM could actully see people playing him now

I do lol
And for wolf on what? He has armor sometimes?

Damn. As a Lucario player, I'm scared to face anyone who plays Bowser seriously now.

no just an overview of tricks and stuf. for instance wolf can side be bowser from the ground and bowser is so big it will hit XD

Not if he's crouching though.

XD thats true hahaha

I'll be testing some of those attacks other attacks now.

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Just realized Bowser has light armor while charging his uSmash as well-all the attacks for crouching armor won't faze him then either. Plenty of others probably knew this but I just found out, so I'll put it in the OP in case someone else doesn't.

is there a list out of there of all the moves bowser has that give him armor?

All his smashes, his N-air, is Koopa Klaw (Side-b), his Bowser Bomb (Down-b), all have heavy armor. As for light armor, all I know about is his crawl and his uSmash while charging. His Up-b has such high priority that it might as well have armor.

Also, on another note, his uSmash is a meteor smash/spike (idk which yet) as it is coming back down, which adds utility to it's edgeguarding usefulness, as it also has heavy armor, light armor, a huge hitbox, and high knockback. It's also bowser's only meteor/spike.

I think his upB does have armor, because I think I've done upB through Falco's laser before. Also, his dair and bair(?) have light armor.