08/15/2012, 10:52 PM
Eruption is far more underused/underrated than counter. It's just not a very strong edgegaurd tool unless your opponent is kill %s because of the trajectory eruption sends.
(08/15/2012 10:52 PM)Oro?! Wrote: [ -> ]Eruption is far more underused/underrated than counter. It's just not a very strong edgegaurd tool unless your opponent is kill %s because of the trajectory eruption sends.
(08/16/2012 04:56 AM)Kink-Link5 Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah I figured it would be an important thing to keep in mind regarding a lot of characters. If people really care I can fire shots at and rat out the outliers for the most controversial characters (including shooting myself).
TOO BAD HERE THEY ARE
Min and Max votesPikachu Max: 26 (SFTP) Min: 2.5 (Bamsey)
Sonic Max: 27 (Bubbaking) Min: 4 (Spam_Arrows)
Ike Max: 27 (Bamsey) Min: 8 (Bubbaking)
Luigi Max: 24 (SftP) Min: 2.5 (Bamsey)
Bowser Max: 28 (Kink) Min: 11 (Spam_arrows)
Ganon Max: 27 (Bamsey) Min: 10 (Spam_Arrows)
Snake Max: 27 (SftP) Min: 10 (Bamsey)
Lucario Max: 18.5 (Bamsey) Min: 2 (Bubbaking)
Dedede Max: 27 (Spam, Bamsey) Min: 11 (Kink)
DK Max: 25 (Spam, Bubba) Min: 10 (Bamsey)
Toon Link Max: 22 (Spam_arrows) Min: 8 (Kink)
Lucas Max: 24 (Spam_Arrows) Min: 10 (Bamsey)
Mario Max: 19 (Spam_Arrows) Min: 5 (Kink, SftP)
Jiggs Max: 18.5 (Bamsey) Min: 5 (Spam_arrows)
Link Max: 21 (Kink) Min: 8 (Spam_Arrows)
Marth Max: 20 (Spam_Arrows) Min: 8 (SftP)
NOT PICTURED: SOFT SERV. Good job picking safe, midline tier placings, Soft, you win! Oh wait, that's right, you didn't include like 3 characters on your tier list. Well it certainly doesn't stop you from picking the midline choices anyway!
(08/16/2012 08:34 AM)Oro?! Wrote: [ -> ]I disagree with a lot of those tier lists...
(08/16/2012 06:59 AM)Bubbaking Wrote: [ -> ]Fair enough. One thing I wanted to ask you is: What difference in average rankings did you determine to be indicative of a gap in tiers? I ask this because the gap between the average rankings of C.Falcon and Wolf is only 2.16. If that is the case, then Sheik (and everyone below her) should be in a separate tier from Falco, since the gap between the average rankings of Falco and Sheik is 2.17.
Even bigger example: The gap between the Links is only 1.00. By this logic, there should be a tier difference between Sheilda and Falco, Falco and Sheik, and Peach and Jiggs, and every single member of Bottom Tier should receive his own tier.
Even BIGGER example: The gap between Bowser and Wario is only 0.91. I'm not going to even begin to talk about the number of new tiers that should have been made if that was held as a consistent tier splitting value.
Quote:Edit: That same question goes for the mode rankings, too. It seems like the value chosen to indicate a difference in tiers was a mode difference of 2. This is actually pretty consistent throughout all of the data and nothing goes against such a rule, with one exception: Ness and Charizard have a mode difference of two and should therefore be put into different tiers.
Quote:My second question for you, Kink, is this: Shouldn't Wolf and Lucas be tied in mode ranking? They both have a mode of 17. Were there more higher rankings for Wolf than for Lucas? My question also applies to DDD and Ness, who share a mode of 27.
Quote:Edit: This same question goes for several characters in the Controversy Rankings.
Quote:Math errors in the Controversy Rankings:
Ike - The difference between 27 and 8 is 19.
Luigi - The difference between 24 and 2.5 is 21.5.
Zelda - The difference between 18.5 and 9 is 9.5.
(08/16/2012 08:39 AM)TheDevicer Wrote: [ -> ](08/16/2012 08:34 AM)Oro?! Wrote: [ -> ]I disagree with a lot of those tier lists...
We all do. That's why there's such a high discrepancy between out lists. Have you submitted your own? I'm sure we're all interested in hearing different opinions and just saying you disagree is rather unproductive. I don't recall you arguing against the placement of many characters. Forgive me if I'm talking out of my ass.
(08/16/2012 04:56 AM)Kink-Link5 Wrote: [ -> ]NOT PICTURED: SOFT SERV. Good job picking safe, midline tier placings, Soft, you win! Oh wait, that's right, you didn't include like 3 characters on your tier list. Well it certainly doesn't stop you from picking the midline choices anyway!
(08/16/2012 08:00 PM)Oro?! Wrote: [ -> ]I don't believe I have the right this early in development to make that speculation without sounding like a pretentious ass. That would require me to understand the pinnacle of every characters metagame at this given time. It seems more effective, and non objective, to instead accumulate tournament data to base rankings off of character popularity and performance.
That being said, if this thread is just meant to be pure opinion, then I would gladly post a list.