(09/14/2010 08:33 PM)ikhezu Wrote: [ -> ] (09/14/2010 08:23 PM)GHJUJUBEES Wrote: [ -> ]PT is a good thing. Removing him is a bad thing.
Yes you can make new down bs for the individual pokemon and PT.
Yes you can remove Zelda/Shiek down B switching and replace it with something else. Why would you do that? I have no clue has that's a (imo) retarded huge nerf. Same for removing switching between Samus and ZSS.
What's your beef with transforming characters.
fine, i thought that removing PT was gonna make people mad, but the independent pokemon with down b special with no switching is a must.
samus not switching to zero suit (even during the special) has been implemented in brawl plus, and its a great idea IMO, samus and zero suit are such different characters that its better for one person to main one then try and use both, and i just personally hate zelda and shiek, at anytime they can change movesets! its not fair IMO, they should have a complete move set and different final smashs because they are too different.
samus not switching to zamus is only in JP B+. Not US. And it's not a great idea. There is no reason to remove that ability. <_<
And lol @ zelda/shiek hate
(09/14/2010 08:43 PM)GHJUJUBEES Wrote: [ -> ] (09/14/2010 08:33 PM)ikhezu Wrote: [ -> ] (09/14/2010 08:23 PM)GHJUJUBEES Wrote: [ -> ]PT is a good thing. Removing him is a bad thing.
Yes you can make new down bs for the individual pokemon and PT.
Yes you can remove Zelda/Shiek down B switching and replace it with something else. Why would you do that? I have no clue has that's a (imo) retarded huge nerf. Same for removing switching between Samus and ZSS.
What's your beef with transforming characters.
fine, i thought that removing PT was gonna make people mad, but the independent pokemon with down b special with no switching is a must.
samus not switching to zero suit (even during the special) has been implemented in brawl plus, and its a great idea IMO, samus and zero suit are such different characters that its better for one person to main one then try and use both, and i just personally hate zelda and shiek, at anytime they can change movesets! its not fair IMO, they should have a complete move set and different final smashs because they are too different.
samus not switching to zamus is only in JP B+. Not US. And it's not a great idea. There is no reason to remove that ability. <_<
And lol @ zelda/shiek hate
i had the jp braw plus, i didnt know about the us one.
and yes. there is full reason to remove the switch! one character slot with different move sets is obviously broken and unfair.
zelda is a good character, i play with her at times, but i hate sheik, thats why they should have separate slots and down b moves. im sure people feel the same or vice versa.
Pokemon trainer is meant to be a 3 character character. :/ Zelda/Sheik have always been one of the same. Why remove the option to switch? Just because you "hate" sheik doesn't really make it a good reason to remove the ability to be sheik when you are zelda.
Pretty much. Just because you have access to a new moveset doesn't mean anything if you can't use it.
I could be Pro at Sheik, but if I suck as Zelda, it will not do me any good to use her, and would harm me.
Now if I was PRO at BOTH. The only few reasons to switch is simply for MU purposes, opponent doesn't know how to play one of the 2 characters, personal preferences, or for a specific strategy.
It's not broken or unfair. To be good with multiple characters is a skill and requirement in Smash.
(09/14/2010 10:19 PM)GHJUJUBEES Wrote: [ -> ]I could be Pro at Sheik, but if I suck as Zelda, it will not do me any good to use her, and would harm me.
that is why im saying they should be separated!
im not trying to be prejeduice or something, but what i mean is.
there are people who are good at zelda but not at shiek (like me) or vice versa, that makes them not want to use zelda/shiek.
do you get it now?
Being good @ one character and bad at another doesn't mean they need to be seperated.
If anything, that should be motivation to become good at both characters. That way, you get to reap the benefits of learning both characters that are joined at the hip.
(09/14/2010 10:28 PM)GHJUJUBEES Wrote: [ -> ]Being good @ one character and bad at another doesn't mean they need to be seperated.
If anything, that should be motivation to become good at both characters. That way, you get to reap the benefits of learning both characters that are joined at the hip.
you are stubborn arent you ?
that is exactly why they should be separated!
here is an example :
good at sheik + bad at zelda = cant play with them...
bad at sheik + good at zelda = also cant play with them...
good at sheik + good at zelda = PWNAGE, and overpowered/broken.
people are good at different characters, and zelda/sheik are too different for one person to main. there arent that many zelda/shiek mains out there... and it stops a lot of people from wanting to play them (including me), so? please understand what im saying...
we're just gonna have to agree to disagree. :V
though I do have more backing with my arguements lmao
(09/14/2010 10:42 PM)ikhezu Wrote: [ -> ] (09/14/2010 10:28 PM)GHJUJUBEES Wrote: [ -> ]Being good @ one character and bad at another doesn't mean they need to be seperated.
If anything, that should be motivation to become good at both characters. That way, you get to reap the benefits of learning both characters that are joined at the hip.
you are stubborn arent you ?
I should say the same.
that is exactly why they should be separated!
here is an example :
good at sheik + bad at zelda = cant play with them...
then you only use one and don't switch period. duh. that's simple.
bad at sheik + good at zelda = also cant play with them...
Then don't switch until you get good with both.
good at sheik + good at zelda = PWNAGE, and overpowered/broken.
And this is where you are wrong. It cannot be OP or broken if both character's are balanced. If you are having trouble with Zelda or Shiek, than that is YOUR own fault for not knowing that match up and you would have trouble with Zelda or Shiek, switch or no switch.
people are good at different characters,
True.
and zelda/sheik are too different for one person to main.
Wrong. Extremely wrong. I know a good amount of people that main both Shiek and Zelda.
there arent that many zelda/shiek mains out there...
that you know of. i know quite a few.
and it stops a lot of people from wanting to play them (including me), so?
Wrong. Anyone who picks up Zelda or Shiek normally learn how to play the other to an okay level. Simply because they're tied at the hip.
please understand what im saying...
I see what you're saying and the problem is that either it's opinionated or wrong.
my replies are in red.
(09/14/2010 10:48 PM)GHJUJUBEES Wrote: [ -> ]we're just gonna have to agree to disagree. :V
though I do have more backing with my arguements lmao
(09/14/2010 10:42 PM)ikhezu Wrote: [ -> ] (09/14/2010 10:28 PM)GHJUJUBEES Wrote: [ -> ]Being good @ one character and bad at another doesn't mean they need to be seperated.
If anything, that should be motivation to become good at both characters. That way, you get to reap the benefits of learning both characters that are joined at the hip.
you are stubborn arent you ?
I should say the same.
that is exactly why they should be separated!
here is an example :
good at sheik + bad at zelda = cant play with them...
then you only use one and don't switch period. duh. that's simple.
bad at sheik + good at zelda = also cant play with them...
Then don't switch until you get good with both.
good at sheik + good at zelda = PWNAGE, and overpowered/broken.
And this is where you are wrong. It cannot be OP or broken if both character's are balanced. If you are having trouble with Zelda or Shiek, than that is YOUR own fault for not knowing that match up and you would have trouble with Zelda or Shiek, switch or no switch.
people are good at different characters,
True.
and zelda/sheik are too different for one person to main.
Wrong. Extremely wrong. I know a good amount of people that main both Shiek and Zelda.
there arent that many zelda/shiek mains out there...
that you know of. i know quite a few.
and it stops a lot of people from wanting to play them (including me), so?
Wrong. Anyone who picks up Zelda or Shiek normally learn how to play the other to an okay level. Simply because they're tied at the hip.
please understand what im saying...
I see what you're saying and the problem is that either it's opinionated or wrong.
my replies are in red.
ok fine, i agree to disagree. but : i agree on this :
(09/14/2010 10:42 PM)ikhezu Wrote: [ -> ] (09/14/2010 10:48 PM)GHJUJUBEES Wrote: [ -> ]and zelda/sheik are too different for one person to main.
Wrong. Extremely wrong. I know a good amount of people that main both Shiek and Zelda.
every thing else i still dont agree on.
but i raise a new subject! despite the fact that you disagree on a separated zelda and sheik, how well do you think they would play?
Depends. Shiek and Zelda are normally good enough to be used on their own, but have synergy and compliment each other well. :V
But we're way off topic, so Imma have to split this thread and move it to character discussion. <3
How well they can perrform? Don't know. no one has taking B- Zelda/Shiek to their limits. :V
Someone in the Minus boards placed Zelda a solid 3rd on the his tier list. (I don't believe him.)
I do believe that Sheik is a good character. Sheik plays in a very intuitive manner, has a solid/gay projectile, and a massively OP Up-B. Apparently, DMB uses her pretty well, but I haven't seen any videos/proof yet.
I think Zelda just sucks.
3rd? behind who? I'd put her at least at 2nd, behind Pikachu.
Pikachu, Wolf, and MK are the big three in my opinion. I think only Wolf and Pikachu were above her. On my tier list, several more were above her.
Sheik is one of the best in the game. Ftilt auto combos. Fair is insanely strong and can be combod into with like 8 different moves. Up b is nearly unpunishable if spaced right.
Up-B is crazy good. But Sheik's Up-B relies on using Zelda's best move (her Down-B). Sheik also has a great projectile.
She also dies very early, so it's even.
Zelda sucks. End of discussion.
Lol Oro. Play my Zelda. I will change your opinion instantly.
(10/10/2010 07:08 PM)Oro?! Wrote: [ -> ]Zelda sucks. End of discussion.
I find this post strangely close-minded for you, oro.
I think we should be more open-minded towards the potential of characters we aren't entirely familiar with.
zelda is high tier.
not enough of her mains use down b.